Commercial-Multi

[ALIMBO]

Can you get your commercial and multi certificate done in the same checkride?

 

[BLing]

Yes you may! It would be a commercial AMEL initial as opposed to the more common commercial ASEL initial. You would have to meet the aeronautical experience requirements of 61.129(b) instead of 61.129(a). Basically all your required cross countries, tower landings and whatever else would have to be done in a multiengine aircraft. The good news is that you dont have to do any of the commercial single engine maneuvers. You will have to when you go for your single engine addon though. Good luck!

 

[CFI2766]

The much, much better way to do this is to do them, both the single and multi, on the same day.

61.63.

Do the commercial single in a straight leg 172, bring the multi for the complex part. Do all the single maneuvers, then land and de-brief. Take the Seminole, or Duchess, or other multi, out for a lap around the pattern, satisfy the complex part of the ride, and then go do the multi stuff.

Some examiners will do this, some won't. Mine did.

 

[BLing]

The much, much better way to do this is to do them, both the single and multi, on the same day.

61.63.

Do the commercial single in a straight leg 172, bring the multi for the complex part. Do all the single maneuvers, then land and de-brief. Take the Seminole, or Duchess, or other multi, out for a lap around the pattern, satisfy the complex part of the ride, and then go do the multi stuff.

Some examiners will do this, some won't. Mine did.

Im too lazy to look that one up. Its definately one of those odd ball questions they ask on an initial CFI ride...

I've signed off many guys for a CFII/MEI checkride combo. Those required two 8710's. Ive also seen it where somebody goes for a CFI single engine addon and a comercial ASEL checkride at the same time. Again, two 8710's.

My question is did you have two 8710's? Im not sure how the complex portion of the ride in a twin counted towards you single engine checkride? Again, Im too lazy to look into that...

I bet it was hard finding an examiner to go along with that!

 

[ALIMBO]

I think I'm just going to do them one by one I was hoping it would save me money and time but I think it maybe to much hanging over my head for one day.

 

[ALIMBO]

I think I'm just going to do them one by one I was hoping it would save me money and time but I think it maybe to much hanging over my head for one day.

 

[BLing]

ALIMBO,

See where you are at based on the requirements of 61.129(a) and 61.129(b). It may be cheaper to do your initial commercial as an AMEL as opposed to an ASEL.

Heres why. If you do the ASEL first, you will have to build 250 hrs for that checkride and then train for the AMEL ontop of that. You could actually use the AMEL training to get to your 250 hr mark for the commercial rating.

When I was training, this was my way to saving some money. However I wound up doing my initial as an ASEL due to a renter gearing up the Barron I was training in. So I didnt have a twin to take my checkride... But I would have saved money!

 

[ALIMBO]

Thats the thing when I went to SIU for flight I did 90 hours of straight up commercial maneuvers, x-country time, and night flights. So technically I have the work down pretty good the maneuvers maybe a little rusty but nothing a good 10 hours cant fix.

 

[CFI2766]

The cheapest way by far is to do the commercial single and then, on the same day, do the commercial multi as an add on additional class, per 61.63. Like I described earlier, you only need the 250 hours in the single. Then, you do the multi part as an add on. When I did it, my examiner wrote me a temporary cert. for the comm. single, which I immediately surrendered in exchange for the new temporary commercial single/multi cert. It was two different checkrides, two different fees, but it wound up being quite a bit cheaper than having to collect all that multi time. I wound up being a commercial multi rated pilot with less than 20 hours of multi time.

 

[LivestockTony]

My question is did you have two 8710's? Im not sure how the complex portion of the ride in a twin counted towards you single engine checkride? Again, Im too lazy to look into that...

I bet it was hard finding an examiner to go along with that!

I did my commercial practicals as described by CFI2766 and the examiner didn't have a problem with it (though obviously you'd want to check with the examiner before referring a student!).

I did need two 8710s.. I happen to save mine, the first one, (C-ASEL) lists two aircraft under aircraft to be used.. C-172 and PA-44. The second one (C-AMEL additional rating) only lists the PA-44.

I did pay two examiner fees!