Cape Times Article on crash. 6-9-04

[Jetmech41]

http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/fatalcolgan9.htm

 

[chperplt]

Thanks for posting the link.

 

[porra]

sad news...

 

[chperplt]

14:27:40 Maintenance employee: (Unnamed person) might call ya and turn you back cause they did find a problem but I don't know for sure, he doesn't know either.

I realize I'm a little partial against the company on this one, but can someone tell me what the FUK the above quote means? Can anyone come up with one good reason to send an airplane on a ferry flight after a comment like that was made?

 

[Jetmech41]

Np

Youre welcome Chper, It $ucks seeing it in print huh?! Thats one of the big mysterys that nobodh knows. Sure the hell doesnt make any sense. Do you know who the unamed ppl are?

 

[chperplt]

Do you know who the unamed ppl are?

No I don't

 

[stevessister]

this is fkd up.

bump bump bump.

 

[BRA]

I think that sentence just sounds bad because it is taken out of context. I am not saying it isn't, but think of how many lines you have you used in the cockpit that would sound bad to the media. "it stinks in here" "what's that smell?" "that smells bad" "it has smelled in here the last 3 legs" Out of context these quotes could warn of future doom to the flight crew. Then you get a quote that sums it up: "stop farting in here!!!!" You need the other end of that cell phone conversation i think.

and then you get other quotes on colgan CVR's that probably don't make the company look any better such as:

"3 are leaving for chautauqua?"
"who else quit?"
"he didn't even give them 2 weeks notice"
"i heard we have a few openings for....dare i say....cowboys"

 

[chperplt]

BRA,

The fact of the matter is I heard first hand a few days after the accident the full context of that radio call. You are reading it in its proper context. It happened that way... in those words. No way around it.

 

[chperplt]

this is fkd up.

How's the family doing?

 

[stevessister]

this is fkd up.

Hey - How are you doing? I was doing better until this came out. Why did they let them go up if they knew there was even the slightest problem? It just doesn't make sense.

 

[starvingcfi]

welcome to aviation

 

[BRA]

welcome to aviation, you meet all kinds. Like cowboys. from the sealed CVR files of colgan air:

So i'm flying into PIT last winter. Severe windshear reported, snow, iced up runways,...blah blah blah. I get on final....plane is getting tossed all over the place. My hoagie is spilling mayo all over the center console. Now it's getting real bad. I look back to the fed thats line checking me, ask him to hand me my cowboy boots from the closet. He crosses his arms and shakes his head like he is pissed. So i'm like..."yeah, whatever, it's all good." I transfer controls over to my FO at 1000 AGL. I get out and stand in the aisle...put on my cowboy boots. Passengers giving me goofy looks and throwing up. I get back in my seat, take the controls back from my FO who is 2 days off IOE....and crying. I flew that bad boy down the slide.....landed right on the numbers baby. Slide past the first turn off, taxi 1000 feet for the next one. Get to the gate, slide past the parking spot, pull out my little mirror....hold it out the window and throw it in reverse to correct the problem. All good. I shut it down. Faa dude is just looking at me. I say: "hey buddy, how about you throw me a bone. A little something, you know......for the effort?" He says "Not bad, but you see that release paperwork you got laying there with mayo and onions all over it? That thing would have warned you about the severe turbulence....you should have had your boots on before you ever took off dumbarse." I'm like.....whatever bra. You can't please everyone.

 

[Chosen One]

So i'm flying into PIT last winter.

Hey G, you been tuggin' at the JD a little tonight?

Good talking to you the other night on ops, bro. If I don't see you before my last day (the 16th), peace! Keep safe.

 

[chperplt]

Stop hijacking the god dam@ thread... IF you don't have anything bad to say about Colgan, don't say nothing at all!

 

[Capn Lucky]

Hey Chper...

Did you get my PM?

 

[saabcaptain]

I realize I'm a little partial against the company on this one, but can someone tell me what the FUK the above quote means? Can anyone come up with one good reason to send an airplane on a ferry flight after a comment like that was made?

the call to "turn around" was due to dispatch perhaps needing the aircraft in another base that night, and the ferry destination changing. the article says so. it is read out of context when you just see it as a CVR thing.

 

[chperplt]

the call to "turn around" was due to dispatch perhaps needing the aircraft in another base that night, and the ferry destination changing. the article says so. it is read out of context when you just see it as a CVR thing.

I really wish people would get there heads out of the sand..

The article was written in the correct context.

The airplane COULD NOT have been sent to another base. It was not an operational turn around... It was a you might have a problem and need to "turn around". The airplane was going to ALB to have the entire trim system rigged to repair the blunder that the HYA crew made.

THIS WAS A FERRY FLIGHT... NOT A REPO

 

[Capn Lucky]

Was a ferry permit issued?

 

[chperplt]

Was a ferry permit issued?

I don't know... But I do know that it didn't have an airworthy release.