Asa Alpa Hypothetical

[Speedtape]

The Skywest vote for ALPA representation was 906 for and roughly 1700 against.

If Skywest, Inc. decided to merge the 2 companies, a new representation vote would have to take place with about a combined 2600 Skywest pilots and 1700 ASA pilots voting for representation.

Would ALPA succeed as the collective bargaining agent should that scenario develop?

That is a thought to ponder!

 

[79%N1]

Lets see, so that would make it 2500 for, and 1700 against.

 

[rightseatjocky]

No way they would merge now. Only if they voted it in. JA will never merge them as it will keep Alpa off property.

 

[Speedtape]

Lets see, so that would make it 2500 for, and 1700 against.

Are you sure all 1700 ASA pilots would vote yes?

 

[Goose Egg]

Are you sure all 1700 ASA pilots would vote yes?

That was my question!

-Goose

 

[PCL_128]

Are you sure all 1700 ASA pilots would vote yes?

All but a very small fraction of nutcases like Joe Merchant would.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
SKYW is having a hard time getting anybody of quality(our view). They are starting to get the picture, no one showing up for interviews. DAL has already said there are too many 50 seat RJs. What if on Jan 1 SKYW chained the doors at ASA, offered the pilots pref interviews, with a guarantee that they could stay in Hotlanta. This would allow anti-union DAL corp. the opportunity to rid the airline world of another union, get rid of a bunch of 50 seat RJs(hear JO is gonna be living in Bejing, no extradition treaty, and all the little boys he can blow), this would allow consolidation in the regional industry. SKYW would be the "bad guy" anti union basher corp. The SKYW pilots have "overwhelmingly" voted to remain non-union, and as such wouldnt have a say one way or another. Those of us who are senior and would not fly struck/scab work would quit, and the company would be glad to be rid of us, and the rest of the pseudo scabs like skyturd and jea would tear their poopchutes getting to Hotlanta for the quick upgrade and overtime assignments. I am truly worried come Jan 1. Quickly lining up something outside avaition.
Wadda yous guys think?
PBR
P.S. black helicopter just made a pass by the house!

 

[sweptback]

Hey,
SKYW is having a hard time getting anybody of quality(our view). They are starting to get the picture, no one showing up for interviews. DAL has already said there are too many 50 seat RJs. What if on Jan 1 SKYW chained the doors at ASA, offered the pilots pref interviews, with a guarantee that they could stay in Hotlanta. This would allow anti-union DAL corp. the opportunity to rid the airline world of another union, get rid of a bunch of 50 seat RJs(hear JO is gonna be living in Bejing, no extradition treaty, and all the little boys he can blow), this would allow consolidation in the regional industry. SKYW would be the "bad guy" anti union basher corp. The SKYW pilots have "overwhelmingly" voted to remain non-union, and as such wouldnt have a say one way or another. Those of us who are senior and would not fly struck/scab work would quit, and the company would be glad to be rid of us, and the rest of the pseudo scabs like skyturd and jea would tear their poopchutes getting to Hotlanta for the quick upgrade and overtime assignments. I am truly worried come Jan 1. Quickly lining up something outside avaition.
Wadda yous guys think?
PBR
P.S. black helicopter just made a pass by the house!

Assuming the ASA TA is ratified, the scope clause would prevent that from happening.

 

[strega7]

Assuming the ASA TA is ratified, the scope clause would prevent that from happening.

Do pilot contracts govern whether or not a company must stay in business? If they did I'd think Westair would still be part of Mesa Air Group and not out of business. I don't think the shareholders would approve but either ASA or SkyWest could be shut down if Inc. wanted it.

 

[sweptback]

Do pilot contracts govern whether or not a company must stay in business? If they did I'd think Westair would still be part of Mesa Air Group and not out of business. I don't think the shareholders would approve but either ASA or SkyWest could be shut down if Inc. wanted it.

First, there's no way that ASA could be shut down on one day while covering all the flying. It wouldn't be logistically possible to have 1800 pilots trained at SkyWest to cover all of our flying overnight.

Also, in the TA the pilots have a no furlough clause, as well as scope covering aircraft transfers to SkyWest Inc. entities (not just SkyWest Airlines). If SkyWest tried something stupid to circumvent the intent of the agreement they signed, the ASA pilots would have a very strong case.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Assuming the ASA TA is ratified, the scope clause would prevent that from happening.

There is nothing in the TA that prevents JA from retiring ASA 50 seaters/ATRs and growing the Skywest side with 70s and 90s......

 

[79%N1]

Read it again. Yes there is. There is a limit for a rolling 12 month period, a limit on the total amount of 50's and 70's they can transfer, and a no furlough clause. That sounds like some sort of prevention.

 

[USCtrojan]

Hey,
SKYW is having a hard time getting anybody of quality(our view). They are starting to get the picture, no one showing up for interviews. DAL has already said there are too many 50 seat RJs. What if on Jan 1 SKYW chained the doors at ASA, offered the pilots pref interviews, with a guarantee that they could stay in Hotlanta. This would allow anti-union DAL corp. the opportunity to rid the airline world of another union, get rid of a bunch of 50 seat RJs(hear JO is gonna be living in Bejing, no extradition treaty, and all the little boys he can blow), this would allow consolidation in the regional industry. SKYW would be the "bad guy" anti union basher corp. The SKYW pilots have "overwhelmingly" voted to remain non-union, and as such wouldnt have a say one way or another. Those of us who are senior and would not fly struck/scab work would quit, and the company would be glad to be rid of us, and the rest of the pseudo scabs like skyturd and jea would tear their poopchutes getting to Hotlanta for the quick upgrade and overtime assignments. I am truly worried come Jan 1. Quickly lining up something outside avaition.
Wadda yous guys think?
PBR
P.S. black helicopter just made a pass by the house!

PBR,

It's true with nobody being able to fill classes. To add fuel to the fire, NetJets has 60 airplanes on order PER YEAR for the NEXT 5 YEARS. I would imagine that will thin the pool even further. At some point, something has to give......

Trojan

 

[centralpilot]

Read it again. Yes there is. There is a limit for a rolling 12 month period, a limit on the total amount of 50's and 70's they can transfer, and a no furlough clause. That sounds like some sort of prevention.

Not really. Joe was talking about retiring ASA aircraft and awarding new aircraft to Skywest. That is not a transfer of aircraft and is therefore not covered by the TA's scope language. Skywest, Inc. can award all new aircraft to Skywest Airlines without restrictions. Unless you see one of our tail numbers in Skywest paint, it doesn't count.

 

[ohplease!]

Hey,
SKYW is having a hard time getting anybody of quality(our view). They are starting to get the picture, no one showing up for interviews. DAL has already said there are too many 50 seat RJs. What if on Jan 1 SKYW chained the doors at ASA, offered the pilots pref interviews, with a guarantee that they could stay in Hotlanta. This would allow anti-union DAL corp. the opportunity to rid the airline world of another union, get rid of a bunch of 50 seat RJs(hear JO is gonna be living in Bejing, no extradition treaty, and all the little boys he can blow), this would allow consolidation in the regional industry. SKYW would be the "bad guy" anti union basher corp. The SKYW pilots have "overwhelmingly" voted to remain non-union, and as such wouldnt have a say one way or another. Those of us who are senior and would not fly struck/scab work would quit, and the company would be glad to be rid of us, and the rest of the pseudo scabs like skyturd and jea would tear their poopchutes getting to Hotlanta for the quick upgrade and overtime assignments. I am truly worried come Jan 1. Quickly lining up something outside avaition.
Wadda yous guys think?
PBR
P.S. black helicopter just made a pass by the house!

Why would they do that when we'll still be making less overall than SkyW crews?

You'd be more likely to see SkyW mgmt. come to the pilots and tell them they are taking a paycut or their going to lose planes and routes to ASA. And the SkyW crews will take the cuts to keep the planes....what other choice do they have? Besides, its all about the quick upgrade because we all know that as soon as you upgrade you'll get hired by a major and you'll be in the promissed land....right?

 

[XPOO]

Btw....go Georgia Bulldogs!

 

[Willy21]

PBR,

It's true with nobody being able to fill classes. To add fuel to the fire, NetJets has 60 airplanes on order PER YEAR for the NEXT 5 YEARS. I would imagine that will thin the pool even further. At some point, something has to give......

Trojan

No don't go to NetJets. All they do is clean lavs and load bags all day. It is way below the level of the mighty RJ. Stay at SkyWest/ASA where mgmt will take care of you. Rumor has it the pilots at NetJets might have to pay for insurance after 2016 and they are restricted to 4 crew meals a day. Stay far far away.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Not really. Joe was talking about retiring ASA aircraft and awarding new aircraft to Skywest. That is not a transfer of aircraft and is therefore not covered by the TA's scope language. Skywest, Inc. can award all new aircraft to Skywest Airlines without restrictions. Unless you see one of our tail numbers in Skywest paint, it doesn't count.

Exactly..... There is nothing in this scope section that prevents Jerry from slowly killing off ASA while growing the Skywest side.... 50 seaters and ATR's can be retired from ASA without penalty while simultaneously adding 700s, 900s, and TPs at Skywest....

I'm voting YES because it is time to move on, but the scope section is largely worthless.......

 

[Medeco]

If that is so, then how willl they justify having too many pilots on staff once they retire all of those aircraft and award them to Skywest?

ASA's new contract has a no furlough provision.

And dont tell me we all know thats worthless. ALPA won a lawsuit or arbitration against Delta management for using the Furlough BEYOND FM. We now have legal backup to fight an unwarranted/illegal furlough.

Another 911 is the only type of senario where a furlough is allowed at ASA in the new contract.

Skywest Inc. no longer has incentive to shrink ASA.

Medeco

 

[JoeMerchant]

If that is so, then how willl they justify having too many pilots on staff once they retire all of those aircraft and award them to Skywest?

ASA's new contract has a no furlough provision.

And dont tell me we all know thats worthless. ALPA won a lawsuit or arbitration against Delta management for using the Furlough BEYOND FM. We now have legal backup to fight an unwarranted/illegal furlough.

Medeco

Simple.... The no furlough clause only protects those on the property as of the signing. Within a year, there could be around 300 pilots who are not covered by the no furlough clause. If 30 pilots leave each month, then you can retire 3 airplanes per month and not have to furlough....

Skywest wouldn't want to do it quickly...... it would be a slow process...... I'm not saying that JA WILL DO IT..... but HE COULD do it.... The scope clause doesn't prevent it and is largely useless.....

Keeping the costs close to Skywest is more protection than anything you will find in section 1....