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ACT700 said:Unfortunatlely, the last 5 or so MU2 crashes have been flown by professional crews.
GoingHot said:Soooooo, if these aircraft had been flown by non-professional crews, the five accidents would be okay?
No big deal, just reminds me of reporters, when they say something like: "Today a KAL 747 crashed killing all 497 on board. "Unfortunately, 2 were Americans."
ACT700 said:No, you tool!
Obviously you are completely uninformed about what has been going on with the entire MU2 accident situation over the past year +.
Say Again Over said:Please do us a favor and bring us up to date with the MU2, I know the FAA wanted to make you get a type rating years back, angle of attack indicators at one point in time, then de-icing recertification. What has happened in the last seven years?![]()
GoingHot said:You might want to switch to decaf. I didn't mean to get your panties in a wad, and I didn't mean to make light of a serious matter. And yes I am very aware of the MU2 accident situation. The first MU2 accident report I read was in 1976, (crash in NY) and I have read every one since. Like others, I'm concerned, because most of these aircraft ARE flown by well-trained professional pilots with thousands of hours. It's certainly not anything like the Malibu situation many years ago, (believe it or not, I heard some fool make that comparison).
And yes I know some pilots on this board are a little sensitive, (no matter what the subject). Sorry ACT, I'll try to respect your MU2 sensitivity.
ACT700 said:aerodromebum is correct, for the most part.
Most likely a "type endorsement" will be required. In house training is history-it will have to be conducted at a manufacturer approved school, ie. SimCom or Howell Enterprises. (I doubt anyone else will want to pick up MU2 training).
The SIC thing, I believe, will be required when no autopilot; meaning, either an autopilot or an SIC will be required, irregardless of type of operation. For now, you do not need an autopilot for single pilot freight ops, which pretty much all of us full time drivers think is "crap"!
Again, these and other ideas were all tossed around at the (first) FAA/MU2 Operator meeting in DC a short while back.
Nothing is final as of yet, and I'm sure there will be more additions/changes; especially in light of the recent accident.
I think all, or most, of us line pilots think these ideas are very good ones.
My earlier remark reference crashes-pro pilot flown, was meant that, up until now, it was rich folks buying a very high performance aircraft and then killing themselves in it.
So the freight operators were arguing, "that those guys are giving us a bad rep, since our, profesionally operated airplanes aren't involved"--boy did we prove that statement wrong.
Either way, I still think the Deuce is a great airplane, however, these accidents need to be dealt with, somehow!? I don't know,..., how do you make airplanes stop crashing???
Just my view of what's happening.
aerodromebum said:Especially in rough weather. I'd much rather be in an MU-2 than in, say, a King Air when flying through something like a Nor'easter. This thing is built like a tank!
I second that.
Maybe autopilot should not be an MELable item in an MU-2. And if I had my way, I'd like to see all MU-2 autopilots to be SPZ-500's. The M-4's sometimes are more trouble than they're worth!
It is invaluable, when you're doing five-seven legs, on the backside of the clock, with an approach at each end!
And on the topic of professional crews being involved in many MU-2 accidents, I wonder if that's the case BECAUSE they were professional crews. Those of us who fly for a living full time knows how routine things can get and sometimes we get into the mindset of "just kick the tires and light the fires and go". I'm certainly guilty of that just as all of us are. And as we all know, complacency can and do kill!
Say Again Over said:Looking back, my opinion is this aircraft needs a good autopilot, not too many MU2's I've flown had a real good autopilot, servos all shot, owner can't afford to fix, otherwise the airplane is bullet proof.:beer:
Knob said:I'm pretty sure the Japenese sent the MU-2's to the US as revenge for Hiroshima. Take us out a little at a time.
God speed to the pilots & pax.