Airline to Corporate

[RubberNeck]

Why is it so hard to move from the airline industry to the corporate side of flying????? And don"t give me that "We have everything done for us crap"

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Why is it so hard to move from the airline industry to the corporate side of flying????? And don"t give me that "We have everything done for us crap"

Its who you know. After my furlough I couldn't get the time of day from corp operators. I happened to meet the right person who knew somebody looking for a Jet captain. Right place, right time. Don't forget to make sure the aircraft has the correct type of booze on board!!!

On the plus side, after being in the 121 world, corporate training is laughably easy. Absolutly zero pressure. Stay awake, fly the airplane, and collect your type rating.

 

[fatburger]

Why is it so hard to move from the airline industry to the corporate side of flying????? And don"t give me that "We have everything done for us crap"

Because corporate flying is more like a fraternity or a good ole boy network. I've done both and currently corporate right now. I knew someone and was at the right place at the right time........basically....lucky. Good luck!

-fatburger-

 

[CaptSeth]

It's hard to get a corporate job if you have a corporate background.

 

[cvsfly]

Also it has been common when furloughed 121 pilots have gone to work corporate, they leave as soon as they get recalled. It's a different culture.

 

[hellas]

"On the plus side, after being in the 121 world, corporate training is laughably easy. Absolutly zero pressure. Stay awake, fly the airplane, and collect your type rating"

AMEN....God.. I hope the owners dont find out..

 

[sleepy]

"On the plus side, after being in the 121 world, corporate training is laughably easy. Absolutly zero pressure. Stay awake, fly the airplane, and collect your type rating"

AMEN....God.. I hope the owners dont find out..

True, unless they send you to Canada or Europe for training.

I went from corporate to the airlines and now, back to corporate. Just like some airlines want prior Part 121 experience (Airtran comes to mind), a lot of corporate Chief Pilots are looking for prior corporate experience (the old catch 22). It also helps to have an inside connection for corporate, just like a lot of pilots get jobs at airlines through their buddies from their old squadron. A good corporate job usually requires a lot of jet experience, just like the better airline jobs.

My company has hired two former airline pilots recently. They required us to resign our seniority (which we were happy to do). I believe they have also interviewed some furloughed pilots, but they were not hired (I wasn't involved, so I don't know if the seniority resignation was an issue).

 

[Jack Schitt]

It's really a simple answer.

Because you spend so much time flying with basically the same people for years on end, you have to hire people who "get along". The easiest people to "get along" with are your friends, so most companies will interview friends of current pilots before they even think of opening it up to the public. I think CaptSeth said it best.

It's hard to get a corporate job if you have a corporate background

 

[AA717driver]

Some of the anti-airline sentiment is left over from the 60's and 70's when guys that couldn't get on with an airline ended up in corporate. Some carry that chip around still.

A lot of the anti-airline feeling comes from the fact that, during the Gulf War, many major airline furloughees went corporate promising never to go back to the airlines. The second they got the recall notice, they ran back as fast as they could.

Other than that, everyone else is correct. You gotta know someone. Get on the phone and network. I got my job because I didn't burn a very important bridge. It paid off. Good luck.TC

 

[400A]

[On the plus side, after being in the 121 world, corporate training is laughably easy. Absolutly zero pressure. Stay awake, fly the airplane, and collect your type rating.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I have several friends say the same thing about airline training. They could not believe that they got 2 months to do the same thing we do in 2 weeks.

One of the biggest reasons is is hard to break in to corporate is the first thing airline guys want to know is "Whats the Schedule?" or how many days off do I get? It can be done though, as everyone else has said, most of corporate flying is personality and connection based. If an airline pilot gets paired with a bonehead, it is only for that month. If we get one, our working conditions just went in the toilet.

 

[AA717driver]

On the training issue, the G550 rating was the second most difficult rating I've gotten. I thought the FSI training was as intense and high quality as any program we had at TWA.

I complained to FSI about the absence of a FTD in which we could practice working with the FMS and running normal checklists. They said the new G450 sim would function as one... Yeah, right.

Bobk--I notice you have 13,000 hours. One of the psychological hurdles I had to deal with when I realized I was getting laid off was the fact that no one was beating a path to my door. Ten-thousand hours, experience as captain of a "real" airliner and a buck will get you a cup of coffee. TC

 

[pilot1704]

I don't agree with statement training is a joke in corporate!

In corporate you do have to know your stuff, many companys has let pilots go after they have failed their training. Most of the airlines just keeps giving you more training and they force you to learn it...

Also attitude is different in corporate field we are not only pilots, we are in customer service. WE dont sit behind the locked door and maybe after taxiin to gate one of the pilots comes to the door collect the tips... Did I said tips....

Yeah, that is what corporate world is about caring is charing... ones we got 1800dollars tip between 3 of us, nice !

 

[tittyjet]

In corporate you do have to know your stuff, many companys has let pilots go after they have failed their training. Most of the airlines just keeps giving you more training and they force you to learn it...

Also attitude is different in corporate field we are not only pilots, we are in customer service. WE dont sit behind the locked door and maybe after taxiin to gate one of the pilots comes to the door collect the tips... Did I said tips....

Yeah, that is what corporate world is about caring is charing... ones we got 1800dollars tip between 3 of us, nice !

Tips? Have some pride, man.

 

[RubberNeck]

Thanks for the replys... I'm not getting laid off ...at least not now, But I want out now.I have more to offer to a corporation or 135 operation. i want to work some where people take pride in their company and want to make it better place to work. .,...Anyone want to be my friend!!! Looking to stay in the DCA area!!!

 

[bart]

Why is it so hard to move from the airline industry to the corporate side of flying????? And don"t give me that "We have everything done for us crap"

Because airline guys have no sense of humor...

and they have everything done for them.

 

[AA717driver]

BAAAAAAAARRRRRRT!

Be nice, now!TC

 

[Stearmandriver]

Because airline guys have no sense of humor...

and they have everything done for them.

See, now, I thought that was funny...

 

[tittyjet]

Bobk:

Check PMs.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

In corporate you do have to know your stuff, many companys has let pilots go after they have failed their training. Most of the airlines just keeps giving you more training and they force you to learn it...

Also attitude is different in corporate field we are not only pilots, we are in customer service. WE dont sit behind the locked door and maybe after taxiin to gate one of the pilots comes to the door collect the tips... Did I said tips....

Yeah, that is what corporate world is about caring is charing... ones we got 1800dollars tip between 3 of us, nice !

I guess your milage varies in the training department. Two types at airlines and 1 type corp. with single pilot waiver, plus 3 initial PIC checks (mix of pt 91 and 135 Turbo props under 12,500) Been to F/S, Simcom, and Simuflite.

At least what I have seen the training for corporate is almost like taking a vacation. No pressure whatsoever. It could be because I did the airline stuff first so the corp stuff seemed very laid back. I remember the first type at the regionals as being the hardest, but I also only had around 2700 hours at the time so maybe it just seemed harder since the process was new to me other than the SIC checks. The easiest 121 training was at the majors, but by then you have done it every six months for years, so maybe it just seemed easier.

Everytime I go to recurrent at F/S or wherever I always seem to see some guy all worked up and about to have a coronary over his upcoming ride. I had a sim partner like that for my last type rating, he was doing SIC initial. Nice guy and a good pilot, but I thought he was going to pop a vein by the second day in the sim! All the pressure that he felt was 100% self induced. Once he calmed down he finally started to have fun in the sim instead of fighting it.

 

[English]

I'm with Kerosenesnorter on this...corporate/charter (business jet training) has always been a walk in the park to me. But, I've only been to FlightSafety three times, so maybe it's really more difficult than I'm making it out to be.

Maybe it was just because the Citation was so much easier to fly than any the transport category aircraft I flew at any airlines, that the training was so much easier.