A No-class act at PSA

[CatYaaak]

Sadly, it seems that some will use these frustrating times EVERYONE is experiencing as an excuse to take uncalled-for chept shots at other flight crewmembers. Yesterday, a Midway flight attendant was deplaning a PSA Dash-8 DCA-RDU flight, and as she did, was unexpectedly subjected to the F/O's snide comments directed at her that "she was taking their jobs".

After being junior-manned and stranded for two extra days because of the storm, I'm sure that's all she needed; some little thug-wannabe kid, who instead of doing his job as a proffesional pilot, thinks he's going to "educate" that particular 17-year airline veteran (and AFA member) about the industry.

By the way, she wasn't a non-rev (perhaps non-revs are suitable for abuse in that F/Os eyes), but held a ticket and helped pay for that flight. Looks like customer service doesn't mean squat for some if you happen to be wearing a uniform. If you have a problem with the pilots at Midway flying US Air colors, tell your management, or at least have the guts to level your snide comments to your fellow ALPA brothers at Midway. Trying to bully F/As from the cockpit is as low-rent and gutless as it gets.

Although she has more things to worry about, and wrote if off as just another loudmouth jerk (they of course see their share doing that job) and isn't the type to respond, the behaviour offended me as a professional pilot. It has no place in our cockpits or cabins. Please, keep it where it belongs or keep your mouth shut, and no F/A is trying to take any pilot's job no matter what your opinion is on J4J, etc etc. The Chief Pilot and MEC at PSA will both be getting a letter from me.

I know that this incident isn't indicative of the pilot group as a whole at PSA. For those of you who treat ALL crewmembers of any airline with decency, please let those few who don't know, that it won't be tolerated. Educate them, control them, or get rid of them.

 

[100LL... Again!]

That little sh-t should be suspended for a week, without pay.

Makes me ashamed to be a union pilot.

What a disgrace to the profession.

 

[cocknbull]

PSA doesn't fly Smash 8s only the D328 turboprop.

 

[bluestreaking]

You need to redirect your complaints to Piedmont, but I doubt you'll find much sympathy.

 

[OviedoBob]

Well said Catyaaak;

As a furloughed Midway pilot, I feel all airline employees deserve the utmost respect in these difficult times. Snide remarks are usually without foundation or reason, this FO obviously opened his mouth without thinking.

 

[79%N1]

Boo hoo!!!!

Dont you have anything better to worry about than some poor fa getting her feelings hurt. Big deal! Sticks and stones.....get over it, and write a real important letter.......

 

[PCL_128]

The Chief Pilot and MEC at PSA will both be getting a letter from me.

That would be just as unprofessional as what that FO did. There is no reason to go to the Chief Pilot about something like this. Your issues with another pilot that do not relate to safety should not be taken to the chief pilot. ALPA has its own avenues to be taken in cases like this. It's called the Professional Standards Comittee. You should call the Pro Stan chairman and talk to him about this. One of the Pro Stan volunteers will call the FO and talk to him about why his comments were inappropriate. There is no reason to get management involved in a case of this nature.

 

[buckeye669]

CatYaaak,

Get your facts straight. PSA does not fly Dash-8's. That would be a different carrier. Try getting the tail number next time you want to make a big stink. Better yet, complain about a flight YOU were actually on.

Sending a letter to the Chief pilot may also get you unwanted results. For example, a jump-seat rider once sent a letter to the Chief pilot of my airline regarding a flight he was on. This jump-seater was sitting in the passenger cabin and never addressed the Captain after the flight. The result of his letter got the small carrier that man worked for banned from our jumpseat forever. I'm sure his co-workers are not happy about that one.

Take PCL_128's advice on this one.

 

[Smoking Man]

NO DASH 8's at PSA

I must also reiterate the fact that PSA does NOT operate Dash 8’s.

Educate them,

.

Sending a letter to our chief pilot and our MEC would show that you need proper information before makeing slanderous statements about PSA and something that none of the FO's at PSA could have made.

PSA operates 30 DO-328's ONLY!

GOOD DAY SIR.

 

[AceCrackshot]

In the defense of this mythical WO pilot...

In only one year of jumpseating/DH/nonreving on USAir I can only
estimate the number of times one of my fellow crewmembers or myself were subjected to a "just an Express" type remark. I would imagine you are Mainline yourself, by the fact you can't distinguish the aircraft your COWORKERS fly (D328/D8).

As far as disparaging comments from coworkers, We learned well
from our mainline brothers and sisters. You have spent years shaking the cage, jerky. The animal is going to bite.

Additionally, if I wrote a ProStans letter every I time was subjected to some level of unprofessionalism on Mainline I'd have environmental protesters outside my door yelling about forest destruction.

Should he kept his mouth shut? Yes. Start trying yourself.

 

[NYRANGERS]

In the defense of this mythical WO pilot...

In only one year of jumpseating/DH/nonreving on USAir I can only
estimate the number of times one of my fellow crewmembers or myself were subjected to a "just an Express" type remark. I would imagine you are Mainline yourself, by the fact you can't distinguish the aircraft your COWORKERS fly (D328/D8).

As far as disparaging comments from coworkers, We learned well
from our mainline brothers and sisters. You have spent years shaking the cage, jerky. The animal is going to bite.

Additionally, if I wrote a ProStans letter every I time was subjected to some level of unprofessionalism on Mainline I'd have environmental protesters outside my door yelling about forest destruction.

Should he kept his mouth shut? Yes. Start trying yourself.

Please, enough with the "those mean mainline pilots were mean to me" BULL SH1t. I flew for PSA for four years and although I could sense the tention sometimes, I was never personally insulted or talked down to. It goes both ways, I have seen W/O pilots in black running shoes, wrong color blue pants even friggin wearing backpacks. Maybe it is the personal unprofessional appearance or deminor of a pilot who is "insulted".

I have heard so many stories that reek of BS. I can't tell you how many times I have heard a story that happened to "someone" yesterday, only to recall hearing the same story years ago.

Go to work, fly safe, treat your passengers great and worry about yourself..Oh yeah, and STFU

 

[CatYaaak]

Apologies to PSA

CatYaaak,

Get your facts straight. PSA does not fly Dash-8's. That would be a different carrier. Try getting the tail number next time you want to make a big stink. Better yet, complain about a flight YOU were actually on.

Sending a letter to the Chief pilot may also get you unwanted results. For example, a jump-seat rider once sent a letter to the Chief pilot of my airline regarding a flight he was on. This jump-seater was sitting in the passenger cabin and never addressed the Captain after the flight. The result of his letter got the small carrier that man worked for banned from our jumpseat forever. I'm sure his co-workers are not happy about that one.

Take PCL_128's advice on this one.

My apologies to PSA for misidentifying them as the employer of the F/O in question. I mis-typed the the name of the carrier, but in no way was my post sent as a form of slandering any pilot group of any company, or the company itself (I won't write the name of the Dash-8 company lest it be misconstrued). I thought that was pretty clear.

And I guess you missed the part about the F/A was NOT jumpeating, or non-reving. I'll direct my letters to the correct company of course, with the particulars, flight # etc. As far as professional behaviour, since that is the subject, I'll give my input whenever I see fit.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Please, enough with the "those mean mainline pilots were mean to me" BULL SH1t. I flew for PSA for four years and although I could sense the tention sometimes, I was never personally insulted or talked down to. It goes both ways, I have seen W/O pilots in black running shoes, wrong color blue pants even friggin wearing backpacks. Maybe it is the personal unprofessional appearance or deminor of a pilot who is "insulted".

I have heard so many stories that reek of BS. I can't tell you how many times I have heard a story that happened to "someone" yesterday, only to recall hearing the same story years ago.

Go to work, fly safe, treat your passengers great and worry about yourself..Oh yeah, and STFU

And Cak's story is sounding the Bull Sh1t horn as well. Try getting your airlines straight before you tell some 3rd person tale.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Re: Apologies to PSA

My apologies to PSA for misidentifying them as the employer of the F/O in question. I mis-typed the the name of the carrier, but in no way was my post sent as a form of slandering any pilot group of any company, or the company itself (I won't write the name of the Dash-8 company lest it be misconstrued). I thought that was pretty clear.

And I guess you missed the part about the F/A was NOT jumpeating, or non-reving. I'll direct my letters to the correct company of course, with the particulars, flight # etc. As far as professional behaviour, since that is the subject, I'll give my input whenever I see fit.

So how are you going to get your letter back from the PSA chief pilot and MEC chairman? Furthermore your input does not fit.

 

[CatYaaak]

Re: NO DASH 8's at PSA

I must also reiterate the fact that PSA does NOT operate Dash 8’s.

.

Sending a letter to our chief pilot and our MEC would show that you need proper information before makeing slanderous statements about PSA and something that none of the FO's at PSA could have made.

PSA operates 30 DO-328's ONLY!

GOOD DAY SIR.

You're right, they don't. And I apologize to any and all who work for PSA for my recurring typos in my original post. I had PSA on the brain for some reason, and I know who the carrier was.

And in no way was my post meant to be slanderous to PSA or any company's pilot group. The post was regarding a single individual and a lack of courtesy while on the job.

 

[CatYaaak]

Re: Re: Apologies to PSA

So how are you going to get your letter back from the PSA chief pilot and MEC chairman? Furthermore your input does not fit.

Because I never sent anything to anyone at PSA (my original posting containing typos).

And why does my input not fit?

 

[NYRANGERS]

JOHNNY 5's alive

And why does my input not fit?

I was just trying to work in a reference to Johnny-5. In todays state of the world, it is getting harder and harder to talk about one of the greatest and most influential movies of all time........................Short Circuit!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Re: Re: A No-class act at PSA

That would be just as unprofessional as what that FO did. There is no reason to go to the Chief Pilot about something like this. Your issues with another pilot that do not relate to safety should not be taken to the chief pilot. ALPA has its own avenues to be taken in cases like this. It's called the Professional Standards Comittee. You should call the Pro Stan chairman and talk to him about this. One of the Pro Stan volunteers will call the FO and talk to him about why his comments were inappropriate. There is no reason to get management involved in a case of this nature.

Good post! PCL and I actually agree about something.

Wish that I had a dollar for every snide comment a Delta pilot has made to me while I'm non reving - but it would be outweighed if I had a nickel for every nice thing a Delta pilot had done. One even ran around to the forward cargo bin on the MD88 to grab my brain bag and carry on. 99.9% of pilots are real gentlemen.

The Pro Standards program works - use it if you feel necessary.

 

[PCL_128]

Re: Re: Re: A No-class act at PSA

Good post! PCL and I actually agree about something.

It was bound to happen eventually.

 

[CatYaaak]

In the defense of this mythical WO pilot...

In only one year of jumpseating/DH/nonreving on USAir I can only
estimate the number of times one of my fellow crewmembers or myself were subjected to a "just an Express" type remark. I would imagine you are Mainline yourself, by the fact you can't distinguish the aircraft your COWORKERS fly (D328/D8).

As far as disparaging comments from coworkers, We learned well
from our mainline brothers and sisters. You have spent years shaking the cage, jerky. The animal is going to bite.

Additionally, if I wrote a ProStans letter every I time was subjected to some level of unprofessionalism on Mainline I'd have environmental protesters outside my door yelling about forest destruction.

Should he kept his mouth shut? Yes. Start trying yourself.

Well, aside from the fact that you hold a false and imagined premise that I'm mainline (and yet the WO F/O is "mythical"), your entire post does nothing but reveal the type of mindset that will go to any length to rationalize boorish behaviour. It's also the kind of mindset that misses the entire point of my original post, which I guess I'll restate differently so perhaps even you can understand;

It really makes no difference to me to what levels of petulant pettiness you lower yourself to while engaged in spats with other pilots regarding regional vs. mainline, W/Oed vs. contract-carrier, or J4J opponents vs. defenders issues, but pilots harassing F/As from any company (ticket-holding, non-reving, or jumpseating) is uncalled-for and unacceptable.

I guess I'm old-fashioned, but I won't apologize for thinking that way, or tolerate that kind of behaviour in any cockpit I occupy.
Most certainly, I would never listen to an admonition from anyone who defends it to keep my mouth shut when I know it has occured.

 

[CatYaaak]

Re: Re: Re: A No-class act at PSA

Good post! PCL and I actually agree about something.

Wish that I had a dollar for every snide comment a Delta pilot has made to me while I'm non reving - but it would be outweighed if I had a nickel for every nice thing a Delta pilot had done. One even ran around to the forward cargo bin on the MD88 to grab my brain bag and carry on. 99.9% of pilots are real gentlemen.

The Pro Standards program works - use it if you feel necessary.

You know, the two of you are right...ProStans is the appropriate avenue for a solution, not the CP or anyone else. The F/O in question needs to learn some restraint and ettiquette, not have his head on a chopping block. As we speak my letters are going into my own circular file.

Weird....I can't remember when a message board changed my mind on anything.

 

[PDTGIMP]

There are bad apples EVERYWHERE!

Yes, even at Southwest and Midway Airlines. So, if this was a constantly reoccuring problem I'd consider this a reflection on a group of people-but this isn't it, sorry, but it's one person-not the whole company.

 

[CatYaaak]

There are bad apples EVERYWHERE!

Yes, even at Southwest and Midway Airlines. So, if this was a constantly reoccuring problem I'd consider this a reflection on a group of people-but this isn't it, sorry, but it's one person-not the whole company.

I believe in the original post I wrote "I know that this incident isn't indicative of the pilot group as a whole at.....", so I'm not sure what you are getting at. I never considered it a reflection of the company, even when I typo-ed in the wrong one.

 

[WSurf]

Re: Re: Re: Re: A No-class act at PSA

You know, the two of you are right...ProStans is the appropriate avenue for a solution, not the CP or anyone else. The F/O in question needs to learn some restraint and ettiquette, not have his head on a chopping block. As we speak my letters are going into my own circular file.

Weird....I can't remember when a message board changed my mind on anything.

 

[LearLove]

catyaak,

what are you the lord protector of FA's or something. Get over it. Make sure you send a copy to the ALG guys too so we can have a good laugh.

 

[CatYaaak]

catyaak,

what are you the lord protector of FA's or something. Get over it. Make sure you send a copy to the ALG guys too so we can have a good laugh.

Nope, just someone who hates to see a friend undeservedly subjected to low-rent crap from the cockpit, when they get enough of that from Pax, and still put on the smiley face.

But by all means, Learlove, you boys feel free to laugh your little heads off. I can't even begin to tell you how much I don't care. Besides, I'm sure you need something to cheer you up these days.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Nope, just someone who hates to see a friend undeservedly subjected to low-rent crap from the cockpit, when they get enough of that from Pax, and still put on the smiley face.

But by all means, Learlove, you boys feel free to laugh your little heads off. I can't even begin to tell you how much I don't care. Besides, I'm sure you need something to cheer you up these days.

catyak, I think most of us are still calling your "story" Bull Schit. Next time you want to take a shot at a pilot group, start your "story" with.........."This happened to ME the other day.........................."

Regards,

NYR

 

[CatYaaak]

catyak, I think most of us are still calling your "story" Bull Schit. Next time you want to take a shot at a pilot group, start your "story" with.........."This happened to ME the other day.........................."

Regards,

NYR

Speaking of "Bull Schit", I invite you to show me where I "took a shot at a pilot group" (in fact, I made it a point in my original post to specifically say that I wasn't). Your straw-man declaration makes no sense anway; having escaped from the world of airline flying some time ago, I have no stake and hold no grudges with respect to any side of the squabbling in terms of "groups". I was speaking about one individual's conduct while on duty, towards a revenue passenger, no less.

Now, if I WERE to fabricate a story to further a hidden agenda, I'd come up with something truly inflammatory, start it with "it happened to ME" to make is sound more "real" to people like you, and then go on to use the lie as a springboard from which to lambast whole pilot groups or entire companies. If targeting a "group" was my aim or focus, I most certainly wouldn't have committed my typo-errors that mis-identified the airline this individual worked for in the first place.

However, all I asked was for people treat each other with proffesional courtesy as fellow crewmembers while on the job, REGARDLESS of which airline they fly for (and although they may be easy targets for the candy-a$$ed, F/A's have little say in what a company's corporate decisions are). That seems to be at odds with what you accuse me of.

IMO, everyone working for any regional is getting hosed in terms of that most basic issue...pay. It's true now, just as it was true 10 and 20 years ago. Until you can remove the passion from flying or re-regulate the industry, the existance of market forces, cutthroat competition resulting in winners and losers, and an availability of people willing to "do it for less" will ensure this pay bracket won't change much.

People DO, however, have complete control over the atmosphere they create while interacting with their peers, (even when the pay sucks), and that atmosphere plays a huge role in whether you actually enjoy going to work or not in your chosen proffession. If slinging verbal dung and establishing petty pecking orders is anyone's thing, well the industry certainly offers plenty of opportunity to do so, especially during these times (which are going to get worse) when most of it is in the toilet and very few employees....in all capacities... are not hurting, living on the bubble, or furloughed/laid-off. The easiest thing in the world is to begin blaming each other for things the marketplace or management controls.

Of course I know I'm wasting my breath. Have fun..in whichever type of atmoshpere you choose to create.

Cheers

CatYaaak <---- happier than ever to have escaped the airline world.

 

[acaTerry]

This is why I try to go offline as much as possible....nobody cares if you are not related.

 

[Sluming in PIT]

I find it very interesting that you say airline pilots should not complain about other companies taking flying, but your profile shows no airliners in your type of aircraft flown. Just because you kiss butt all day flying corprate, and cant speak out dosent mean we cant be upset. Like the old saying goes "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one" Learn more about what your saying before you speak, people will respect you more for it. Hope you learned from your mistake.