A new way for ALPA to collect dues

[Bdfg1]

N - N - N - Nic award.........Say it Steven!

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N - N - N - 6.7 BA BA BILLION!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

See ya!

 

[pipejockey]

What it comes down to is... guys like you have had an exemption so to speak. Whereas the legacy guys and FedEx pilots who have A, B and/or C plans have been paying dues on their gross income... the regionals or 401k only pilots, like yourself have not.

How dare you compare me to a FedEx pilot with an A and B and/or C plan? A FedEx Cpt is earning over 200 grand and the fo's are over 100 grand! Plus their A and B fund at retirement. They will do just fine. I only have a 401K and earn a mere fraction of what they earn. I am in a fight for survival to put a roof over my head and food in my family's mouth. And you have the audacity to talk about fairness? You must be making money hand over fist to say something luike that to me!

Fairness

 

[Evansaero]

How dare you compare me to a FedEx pilot with an A and B and/or C plan? A FedEx Cpt is earning over 200 grand and the fo's are over 100 grand! Plus their A and B fund at retirement. They will do just fine. I only have a 401K and earn a mere fraction of what they earn. I am in a fight for survival to put a roof over my head and food in my family's mouth. And you have the audacity to talk about fairness? You must be making money hand over fist to say something luike that to me!

Fairness

Yep, it's like taking from the poor

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How dare you compare me to a FedEx pilot with an A and B and/or C plan? A FedEx Cpt is earning over 200 grand and the fo's are over 100 grand! Plus their A and B fund at retirement. They will do just fine. I only have a 401K and earn a mere fraction of what they earn.

Using the FedEx pilot is actually in your favor.

I am in a fight for survival to put a roof over my head and food in my family's mouth. And you have the audacity to talk about fairness? You must be making money hand over fist to say something luike that to me!

Fairness

I've been furloughed 2x and displaced 2x since 2000. the last seven years have not been fair. I just choose not to be emotional about it all...

I am actually on your side on this... the thing of it is... you have no comprehension of what is going on here.

Spare me the emotional tirade. Take a nap. Think. Listen. Act.

 

[eaglesview]

Wrong.

The USAPA guys simply took advantage of the current situation.

The USAIR guys have been hammered and pounded for years. Understandably they were quite frustrated. The USAPA guys simply took hold of a simple human dynamic: Change only occurs when the pain of the status quo is perceived to be greater than the change.

ALPA is a pilots redheaded step child. Never liked but always around to beat up. The gov't and our companies don't care. And they won't give a pilot 2 sec of time. ALPA at least has to pretend to care... therefore ALPA will listen to pilots complain. But it wasn't enough for the USAIR guys... they had enough of mergers, bad management, 9/11, BK..etc... The only one around to beat up was ALPA... and when ALPA didn't make it all better they went in house...

Don't confuse that with unity...

I think we almost agree!! Yes Usair had had enough and did something about it!

 

[eaglesview]

Yeah, unity around a despicable cause is really a great thing.

Fighting for your career a despicable thing?? I don't think so.

 

[trainer8]

I don't see how ALPA needs any defending....

Then, ummm....why are you here? :erm:

 

[CopilotDoug]

Yeah, unity around a despicable cause is really a great thing.

Depends on who you ask. USAPA does not fit your agenda apparently.

 

[spinproof]

Using the FedEx pilot is actually in your favor.



I've been furloughed 2x and displaced 2x since 2000. the last seven years have not been fair. I just choose not to be emotional about it all...

I am actually on your side on this... the thing of it is... you have no comprehension of what is going on here.

Spare me the emotional tirade. Take a nap. Think. Listen. Act.

RAOFLMAO!!! As Bugs Bunny would say" What a maroon".
I'd like to buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you thought you were worth!:laugh:

 

[spinproof]

In other words, you have nothing. Thought so.

Amazingly PFT you should be the first to recognize nothing of substance. You never miss a chance in sharing that with all.

 

[SaturnPilot]

Come on man, don't make me waste my time in responding to such a stupid question. You obviously didnt read the thread. This is about our illustrious union trying to subject our 401k contributions to our dues. If that happens I am through paying these clowns that purport to represent me when all they do is make the big wigs rich and don't do anything to at least hold our earning power steady. We are losing earning power each and every year, and these jokers continue to let it happen by sticking their heads up managements keisters!

no, I read the thread...I just don't see how not paying dues is going to make the situation better. If you, instead of starting the campaign to get everyone to stop paying dues, started a campaign to get all of those people to call their status reps and tell them emphatically to vote no, the vote would probably fail by a large margain. By not paying dues to our union, all you would be doing is weakening our position and putting yourself at risk for termination.

I agree we are losing earning power every year, but who's fault do you really think that is? What specifically do you expect ALPA to do differently? Do you think that our situation might have something to do with the Bush administration and their "there will be no airline strikes during my term" position?

If you read about ALPA's history you'll notice that ALPA's success is critically linked to who's in office in Washington. As we are governed by the RLA and the government decides when we can strike, it is pretty obvious that a strike / labor success is more unlikely when you have someone that hates airline labor in office (ie Bush/McCain).

 

[SaturnPilot]

Their unity is what made it work. Unity is what gives unions their strength. I'd be thrilled if other pilot groups showed that kind of common commitment.

I'm going to disagree with you that the USAPA situation is anything even resembling unity at a pilot group. They have a union right now who's sole reason for existance is to reorder a seniority list stapling aound 40% of their pilots. They have shown almost NO desire what-so-ever to even involve the West pilots in their union. When they got elected, they have around 70-80 committee volunteers and only asked for THREE of them to be staffed by West pilots. Say what you want about ALPA, but at least ALPA doesn't make it a blanket policy to represent pilots in only certain domiciles.

 

[PCL_128]

Fighting for your career a despicable thing?? I don't think so.

It is when you use the destructions of other pilots in order to lift up your own.

 

[eaglesview]

I'm going to disagree with you that the USAPA situation is anything even resembling unity at a pilot group. They have a union right now who's sole reason for existance is to reorder a seniority list stapling aound 40% of their pilots. They have shown almost NO desire what-so-ever to even involve the West pilots in their union. When they got elected, they have around 70-80 committee volunteers and only asked for THREE of them to be staffed by West pilots. Say what you want about ALPA, but at least ALPA doesn't make it a blanket policy to represent pilots in only certain domiciles.

I guess you believe DOH is stapling, I don't. Relative seniority, career expectations and the such are all subjective. What exactly is career expectations post 9-11. Big mystery if you ask me.

 

[SaturnPilot]

I think there is a lot that goes into a merger to consider, and simply using one reasoning in making up a list is ridiculous. To have a DOH list at Airways would have ended up with around 10% of west pilots in the top 3000, with the bottom 2000 pilots being 90% west. I don't care what reasoning you give, that IS a staple in my opinion. The nic award most likely would not have been so harsh to the east pilots had they not been so demanding in their negotiating positions.