8 hour flight day

[vmc-hound]

this is a question regarding logging time as it relates to flight instruction and interviewing with the regionals. I am currently working full time (to pay the bills with real money) and instructing about 3 days a week with as many students as I can. I am running into a problem with the 8 hrs of flight on some days. Could i "carry over" hours the following day or what should i do? this does not happen very often but I am getting close some days and need to keep the students and flight. It is usually run up time missed approaches etc. I want the numbers to add up but I dont want to loose my students over maybe an hour a week

 

[chperplt]

Last time I checked, the regs were pretty clear. Are you asking us what's the best way to break a reg and cover it up?

 

[rgd]

Um, lets see...."No"

 

[moscowcfi]

And remember, it's 8 hours in a 24 hour period. So if you flew 8 hours in the evening, you should not be flying any hours until the next evening. Try doing some ground work or FTD training instead.

 

[jobear]

Bill'em for some ground time no use killing yourself by working to hard to make less money .
Seriously take it easy and try to be a well balanced instructor not one in a hurry to build time and leave, balance the flying with the ground work. Can't fly it if you can't explain it approach. But hey I'm most likely wrong.

Jobear

 

[need2AV8]

When I was on my CFI ride with an FAA examiner, he warned me about 'carrying over' hours to hide busting the 8 hour rule. He knew that problem was all too common. He also warned that, if caught, you are cited for 'falsification of documents.' This charge is an absolute career killer, worse than a DUI - don't expect to get hired anywhere. (except Mesa, j/k lol).

It's just not worth it - JUST SAY NO!

 

[AvroJockey]

And remember, it's 8 hours in a 24 hour period. So if you flew 8 hours in the evening, you should not be flying any hours until the next evening. Try doing some ground work or FTD training instead.

It's not 8 hours in a 24 hour period under part 121, it's 8 hours scheduled BETWEEN REST PERIODS!

 

[AvroJockey]

Our POI's Interpretation

This is directly quoted from our (Mesaba) FOM:

"Other commercial flying means any non-military flying as a required crewmember, other than in air transportation, for which the crewmember is paid for his or her services. Flight Instruction is not considered commercial flying."

Your flight time as a flight instructor does not count aqainst any 121 duty and time limitations. This is a common misconseption.

 

[chperplt]

It's not 8 hours in a 24 hour period under part 121

You're correct... but that's not what we are talking about.

This guy is talking about being a CFI. He's not an airline pilot who wants to instruct on the side.. He's a CFI who wants to break a reg and is asking how he can do it and not get caught.

Your flight time as a flight instructor does not count aqainst any 121 duty and time limitations. This is a common misconseption

Not sure what set of regs you guys are using, but commercial flying is commercial flying. CFIing absolutely counts towards your 121 duty time limitations if you get paid for it. The only paid flying that does not count is military flying.

 

[moscowcfi]

It's not 8 hours in a 24 hour period under part 121, it's 8 hours scheduled BETWEEN REST PERIODS!

Ok, let's pay attention now.

 

[vmc-hound]

the reason I asked almost all the cfi's I work with do this. just wanted to see what the forum had to say. I am sure some of you have done this at some point or another but I did a little research and its not a very good idea. did not know if this was something done at one point or another. I dont think it is very safe because I worked about 7hrs today and counted the last 15mins.

 

[RJPilott]

How recent is this 8 hour rule for CFI?

 

[RJPilott]

nevermind.. found it... dug out one of my old FAR's.... man, its amazing the things you forget.... lol

 

[wrigley23]

My understanding is that it's 8 hours of flight time, not Hobbs time, so you can shave off at least .1 or .2 before and after the flights considering the taxi and run-up time.

I never ran into that problem, the most I ever saw was 7. But that was rare.

 

[C425Driver]

My understanding is that it's 8 hours of flight time, not Hobbs time, so you can shave off at least .1 or .2 before and after the flights considering the taxi and run-up time.

I never ran into that problem, the most I ever saw was 7. But that was rare.

Definition of Flight Time, per FAR 1.1:

"Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under it's own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing."

Taxi time counts toward your flight time as long as you get airborne.

And one other thing wrigley23 - Sweet avatar!

C425Driver

 

[WhiteCloud]

I admire your ambition, but my concern is that you're headed for a major burnout if you continue to keep this pace up. 8 hours of CFI work is a lot to do in a day. It's supposed to be a maximum, not a goal.

 

[WhiteCloud]

Not sure what set of regs you guys are using, but commercial flying is commercial flying. CFIing absolutely counts towards your 121 duty time limitations if you get paid for it. The only paid flying that does not count is military flying.

I got a different version of "commercial flying" from a fed. It was based on the concept that working as a CFI requires only a third class medical when acting as PIC or no medical when the trainee is acting as PIC. Commercial flying requires a 2nd class medical. I have no idea if this is the correct version so I'm just bring it up as discussion and not saying it's correct. As usual, I imagine the definition of "commercial flying" varies from fed to fed and company to company.